SHORTER TED BARLOW: A pox on both of your houses.
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LONGER TED BARLOW:
"My father and I disagree on the current (projected) war, but we don't disagree about how unfortunate it is that that peace movement -- and this one -- have been ruined by jackholes who are really just posturing, or actively rooting for the other side."
Glenn Reynolds
"You really can get more flies with honey than a thumb in the eye."
James Lileks
Not that it particularly matters, but I've never stayed off the fence for long with regards to war on Iraq. I have a lot of sympathy Glenn's sentiment. There are a lot of jackholes in the anti-war movement, and we all know it. I'm genuinely embarassed to see some of the folks and some of the causes showing up at anti-war rallies. At the same time, it seems pretty obvious to me that anti-war protestors who are "actively rooting for the other side" are pretty freakin' thin on the ground. Glenn surely knows this. This kind of thing makes it hard to feel especially enthusiastic about being on either side, you know?
I don't want to give the impression that I've made up my mind based on the fairly superficial question of "who's got the dumbest, loudest arguments?" But it does affect you, and I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of people can't ignore the question who they loathe more, pro- or anti-war extremists. Ana Marie Cox described herself as
"anti-anti-war". I think that
Jim Treacher would agree:
You know, here I was thinking there were good arguments on both sides. But now that the people of San Francisco have spoken, I realize that George W. Bush is worse than a million Hitlers with AIDS buggering altar boys while talking on cellphones in their SUVs.
He's saying this in response to the
the San Fransisco vomit-in. A dumber protest surely there shall never be. You could spend hours and hours pointing at dumb, childish and ugly anti-war protestors, as many have.
On the other hand, would you want to bring these guys home to meet Mom? From
Digby:
Our increasingly irate new friends accused us of supporting Saddam over Bush. When we explained that nobody "supports" Saddam, they went ballistic.
"You know what? You two are the reason why this country's going down the fucking toilet."
"This is why I hate you city folks. Fucking city folks. Why don't you go back to New York? The fucking toilet."
"Communists. That's what you are. Communist feminists. Fucking liberals."
As disturbed as we were, at that point all we could do was laugh. They were behaving so preposterously, each yelling louder than the other one, slamming the bar and sweating. A couple who'd arrived halfway through the conversation looked at them and shook their heads at us sympathetically. We shrugged.
They didn't appreciate our indifference to their anger. The calmer we were the more enraged they became.
The businessman slowly turned to face us directly.
"How 'bout this. You like those people so much? You like those fuckers so much? How 'bout I throw a veil over your head and drag you by your ponytail out the door? Veil. Over your head. Drag you. By your ponytail," he said, dissolving into a bizarre, almost tribal chant.
No one would want to be represented by these folks, or by the woman on NPR this morning with a sign that says "PROTESTORS=TERRORISTS." But it doesn't end there, at least if you're a heavy blog reader.
I can't be alone in feeling that if (say) Kenneth Pollack was the premiere pro-war blogger, he would have won over more of us terminal fence-sitters than Andrew Sullivan or Glenn Reynolds. I'd feel pretty uncomfortable marching under the banner of Andrew Sullivan, who has been raining hyperbolic abuse on anyone who disagrees with him since September 13, 2001 or so. Most recently, he announced that he will be "blogging around the clock", bringing up the rear behind the tanks and missiles. To quote
Eric Alterman:
“Saddam, my savior, we are doomed. The 99th Airborne we can handle, but our men in the field now tell us we may get a 'Begala Award.'”
Glenn has been punctuating the flow of useful and interesting information on his blog with an increasing flood of scorn for fellow Americans who don't want war. (And if you're not American, you might as well get off here.) If you've been reading InstaPundit over the past few months, you've learned that anti-war (sorry,
"antiwar"- no, sorry,
anti-liberation) partisans like
the Pope, Glenn's dad, and
most of the population of the world are a bunch of
objectively pro-Saddam racist sexist appeasers and
Commie dupes who have
"made preservation of Saddam Hussein (their) top priority."
I feel pretty confident that no one was won over by rhetoric like this.
There's no particular moral to take home; most passionate political discussions are like this, I guess. But if I quit this blog entirely, please understand why.
UPDATE: Glenn links to a story about a town in Iraq eagerly greeting American troops, and says,"This is the "peace" movement's worst nightmare, isn't it?"
Common misconception, apparently. The "peace" movement's worst nightmare would be that these troops would lose their lives in battle, or after being exposed to chemical or biological weapons. Now that the invasion is underway, I can pretty much guarantee that every member of the "peace" movement would love to hear that the Iraqis laid down their arms and surrendered without loss of life on either side.
Happy to clear that up!